Written By Preston
Nov. 5, 2017, 6:20 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Blessed Aleksei is not a man theologically I agree with always. In fact, I disagree quite often with him. What he was doing though was not to force change. It was to use the existing structures to deliver an outcome we can all consider good. No-one, including those in Thrax, can think paying off these debts - debts that originate in crime and death - is bad. It must be good. In setting this example though, Kennex and others leapt into this change and it hurts them. It is always so tempting, to see goodness as a beacon on a hill and run to it - ignoring the swamp inbetween you and it. It is a failing I often have. I see so clearly the result I desire, and the straight forward route to that. But, alas, the world does not forgive good intentions. We must remember that there is so much that is wrong in the world, and so much we tolerate, that change will come over time.
The failing of Navegant though was in changing the rules as well - they saw Aleksei's use of their custom as a challenge to that custom. Understandable, but mistaken. Their response was exaggerated, and it bordered on targeting Blessed Aleksei and the freedom of his people. They should look next time outside threats come to their soil. They will see men and women in the tabards and armour of the Faith, of the Templar, standing at their side. And they must understand our first desire isn't to fix all wrongs immediately. It isn't to change them over night. Our first concern isn't even changing them at all. Our first and foremost desire is that they live so they can make that choice to live a more pious life if they wish it.
Written By Valery
Nov. 5, 2017, 6:11 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
I hope people like it.
Written By Esoka
Nov. 5, 2017, 5:57 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Relationship Note on Calaudrin
Attempt not to bleed to death from dancing. I think Gloria would be displeased.
Written By Daemon
Nov. 5, 2017, 5:56 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Oh blast it all, I admit it! I ate the whole thing before supper! Avert your eyes, scribe, avert them away from me. My commander would be so displeased...
Written By Samael
Nov. 5, 2017, 5:52 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Relationship Note on Octavia
House Bisland and House Grayson have already begun pledging aid with it's vassals. We support House Kennex and the eventual end of thralldom.
Written By Fergus
Nov. 5, 2017, 5:47 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Written By Prism
Nov. 5, 2017, 5:27 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Oh please god no don't anybody tell SKALD.
Written By Shard
Nov. 5, 2017, 5:20 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Skald does what he wants. And unlike the other gods, he does go around doing things fairly often. Not big things, generally. At least, I don't hear about them. But every now and then, I guess he gets an itch, and when he gets an itch, he goes right the fuck ahead and scratches it. Because he wants to. Because that's who Skald is.
There are some people getting pissed off because Archlector Aleksei raised a bunch of money from people through legal means and then followed the laws Thrax has laid out to purchase thrall debt and free thralls. A lot of thralls, sure, but so what? That's how it's supposed to happen. You wrote the laws, the Liberators followed them, now you have all that money to comfort you until you go and raid some more Abandoned villages to replace them. And you're mad about it.
But there's a god out there that isn't going to follow your laws or your rules or care about your economics if he gets an itch about what you're doing to people. He's not going to read all your essays about how you're actually doing good things and helping them. He's not going to listen to your justifications. If he gets that itch, he's going to scratch it. Because he's Skald, and Skald does what he wants. Because the gods are what they are and they don't change their natures. Right? And none of your Archlectors or disciples or Legates tell the gods what to do. And neither do you.
So...and, again, not that I'm expecting anyone to actually listen to my bullshit, but if anyone is reading this who finds it relevant, rather than yelling at the man who is following your laws, maybe, just maybe, you might consider the god who isn't and doesn't need to, and might just one day decide to pull a Kennex on your domain without so much as a by your leave or a proclamation. You could try talking to him and explaining how Thralldom isn't REALLY slavery. Maybe you'll convince him! Then you'd lay this whole argument to rest for good, wouldn't you? Or...maybe you might start making some contingency plans, I don't know. You could just keep ignoring that he exists. I'm sure that sort of thing works really well when it comes to other stuff you have no control over, like floods. Or hurricanes.
(okay, this was still sarcastic. You can't win them all.)
Written By Alarissa
Nov. 5, 2017, 5:09 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
One should not confused Thrax, with the Mourning Isles and the Saffron Chain. The two are apparently quite exclusive.
Written By Thena
Nov. 5, 2017, 5:08 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Relationship Note on Calaudrin
Written By Leola
Nov. 5, 2017, 5:01 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
I understand that Kennex is within their rights to declare their thralls free.
Plan, then act.
That's all I want.
Now I need to do just that.
Written By Ryhalt
Nov. 5, 2017, 4:54 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
The core principle of trade is an exchange of something of value for something else of value. It is possible to enter into a bad trade, of course, where you lose value in the exchange, but for the most part it is a matter of different people valuing different things, trading for what they do not have but find desirable. A relatively equal trade that creates value on all sides. To that end, we price goods and services at a level that is (hopefully fairly) close to what we value them at. This system breaks down when value is misrepresented.
House Thrax's economy is intrinsically tied to the value they derive from their thralls. They take these prisoners and extract a stated value from them, presumably. The problem lies in House Thrax's consistent undervaluing of their thralls' labor. If you sell something at its stated price, and that exchange proves ruinous to you, you have misvalued that asset. In this case, Thrax grossly misvalues the work of its thralls, which does two things: It leaves people indentured far longer than they ought by the laws by which they are indentured, and, more importantly to this particular matter, it artificially drives prices down for both House Thrax and anyone who engages in trade with them or in competition with them. They effectively depress our economy by unfairly undercompensating their labor, both providing them with more of it due to not allowing people who would have paid their debt at a fair value free, and also forcing the rest of Arvum to compete in an unfair market.
Effectively, House Thrax and its vassals engaging in this practice without reform are not only stealing from those in their charge, but from the rest of us, as well as compounding a cycle that erodes their ability to function as a mercantile entity on their own. What response can we have but to attempt to ameliorate this situation? House Kennex is in crisis over doing something good. Many Thraxians have stated that this is folly, but in actuality it shines a light upon our long complicity in the way this affects the manner in which all of us conduct trade. The end result can, and should, be a bolster to the economy of all Arvum, and to that end we owe House Kennex gratitude, and should all attempt to bolster them in this time, as well as attempt to assuage the human cost in the displacement and resettlement of the house's thralls. Pay more for fairly worked goods and services, depress profits from thrall labor until it is untenable for them to be kept in unfair indenture. It profits the institution only as long as we are complicit.
Written By Calaudrin
Nov. 5, 2017, 4:53 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Written By Edain
Nov. 5, 2017, 4:52 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
For her sake I will say a prayer that a cure can be found.
Written By Orazio
Nov. 5, 2017, 4:50 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
However, it does feel that a few things need to be clarified:
The actions of the Liberators did not cause any economic instability, according to all reports. Anyone who claims otherwise is in error, unless they can offer evidence to show for their assertion. The Scholars may be able to help if anyone wishes to research this in greater detail, and it would certainly be wise to undertake such study before putting oneself out into the public eye in this matter.
Likewise, the actions of the Liberators were not undertaken with any sort of malice or ill-intent towards any House of Thrax fealty. In fact, they were planned to cause as little disruption of the houses as possible, and largely succeeded in this aim. House Navegant's subsequent actions are their own responsibility. Further, the Faith leveraged no penalty or condemnation on House Navegant's people, merely choosing to acknowledge the ruling family's actions as contrary to active Discipleship in the Faith. The trade embargoes by other Houses were their own decision, and I suspect had far more to do with the unreasonable and odd restrictions on 'foreign' trade and travel than anything to do with thralldom. It could be considered an object lesson in the truth of our system: yes, a ruling noble has nigh absolute power within their own domain, but every decision carries with it consequences, including other people exercising their power against you.
To blame anyone for the actions of House Navegant aside from House Navegant is insulting to the ruling family of that House, who are presumably able to make their own decisions and accept the consequences for them like the intelligent adults I presume that they are.
Further, the Faith opposition to the practice of thralldom is not new, nor has it wavered in over a thousand years, even without the knowledge of Skald guiding our understanding of the gods' wills. While the Discipleship of Skald is new, and characterized by youth and enthusiastic zeal in its mission, its aims are not new for the Church, and its methods are remarkable only by the rising enthusiasm by the rest of the Compact to support them, and a growing willingness among the people of Thrax to consider the end of the institution.
While it is true Blessed Aleksei could learn to be more tactful in his conversations with nobility, he was not wrong: The god of First Choice and Freedom is unlikely to approve of any institution that robs choice and freedom from its victims, and if one wants to aspire to the virtue Skald represents, thrallholding is incompatible with that aim. Of course, the Faith of the Pantheon is about aspiring to a plethora of virtues, and synthesizing the essential natures into a doctrine by which one can live, which means that no one god's virtue should be considered a prime virtue. Exercising Freedom without the Wisdom to guide one's actions, or the Courage to abide by the consequences of them can lead one away from the Faith as surely as rejecting the virtue itself. Understanding that balance and deciding how we will embrace each of the virtues is the ongoing spiritual challenges of every one of the Faithful; the gods cannot be considered in isolation, but rather as a balanced, harmonious whole.
It is my hope that ignorance can be addressed, freedom can be honored hand in hand with wisdom and justice, and the values of charity and civilization will prevail, with each of us remembering the oaths we have sworn and the bonds of fealty and obedience both within the Faith and without.
Written By Torian
Nov. 5, 2017, 4:28 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
The Faith is another matter. The faith if for all of us. Wise people even say that the humanity in the faith is not beyond reproach. I figure it's a team effort here to sort out the Gods plans for us, and how we might honor them.
With that said, I do see that some high and mighty nobles are enjoying themselves insulting members of the faith. Publicly. I don't see how that helps any of us in this time of need. Which God of The Thirteen is it again, who we honor when silks cast about insults? I don't have time to worship much, so I don't know.
What I do know, is that the Faith has room for an Archlector now... in keeping with the behavior of some of the remaining ones, I don't wonder if the Faith will promote one of my children. They would be in good company.
I get to say these things. I'm a low person. No one who matters looks to me for anything. This is the natural way of things. The low people make the low statements and the high people make the high statements.
Archlectors, Nobles, these are the high people. If you continue to make yourselves low, don't be surprised when the low people try to make themselves high. I only have so much of a hand in keeping the peace, so let's not let things get out of hand shall we?
Speaking of Archlectors, I really should try to remember to thank Aureth Greyhope for his help with that thing that one time. They say you can take the man out of the lowers, but you can't take the lowers out of the man, and I'm glad for it in this case. The uh, underclass, as it were, can always use a powerful 'former member' as an ally.
Written By Cara
Nov. 5, 2017, 3:43 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Thus, I begin my notations on Sudden Head Injuries That Render Supposedly Intelligent People Into Idiots:
The symptoms for this disorder are, as I understand it:
- A complete disassociation from facts and reality
- A refusal to acknowledge said facts and reality when presented by reliable and reputable sources, particularly those neutral to the argument at hand
- Being a former Archlector of Gild
- Not taking very bold hints that one's behavior is displeasing to the Faith
- Giant knots, bruises, contusions or gashes about one's head or person
I am still learning treatments, but it seems that resting quietly and ceasing to storm about publicly making a fool of oneself is an excellent beginning.
Written By Victus
Nov. 5, 2017, 2:55 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
If anyone wants to debate the economics of Thralldom or how many Thralls can be removed safely and securely, they are welcome to come to Thraxian sources who have lived and worked with these conditions for sometime. Because as far as I've heard, there hasn't been any total economic crashes beyond what Kennex suffers right now, or any conspiratorial sabotage. Likewise, we're seeing how fucking difficult it is to just wave a hand and try to make it all go away without bringing the fucking roof down.
It's a system that's been rooted in place for far longer than most of us today have been alive. There's dependency on it that goes beyond the servitude of those Thralls. We're seeing it now with the disorder caused in Kennex. Hundreds are dead and more that are innocent are falling prey to piracy, banditry, and possibly losing their lives due the whole economy being destabilized.
Kennex was one of the most progressive houses, with the least population of Thralls across the whole damn Mourning Isles. And this is how /they/ are getting along with one mistake in approaching Thralldom.
It's not black and white, it's certainly not grey either. You can't deal with it immediately, you can't deal with it in negligence. More than Thralls are being hurt and 15 million silver later, there's still going to be lives that will have to be rebuilt.
No, it's not a fair system and it's not a healthy system. But it's here, and whether you call it a 'necessary evil' or an abomination, it's gotta be handled one smart step at a time to be deconstructed. Otherwise, you doom more than the people who you try to save with good intentions.
Written By Thena
Nov. 5, 2017, 1:35 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
So this is your chance to get a sea vessel named for your spouse, your significant other, your secret crush! Your nemesis, your mother, your favorite food! Entries are unlimited, though any that are not appropriate for a Faith-owned vessel (OOC: Or thematically right out) will be stricken from the drawing.
Send your messengers to Dame Thena today!
Written By Thena
Nov. 5, 2017, 1:15 p.m.(7/12/1007 AR)
Relationship Note on Orathy
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