Written By Dante
March 29, 2018, 4:34 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Agatha
I've finally taken ink to quill to paper, or some combination thereof, to attest my astute understandings of the Princess Agatha of Redrain.
Awesome. She is awesome. She is incredible. She is mighty and bear-like and kittenish and creative and cunning in her large eyed manner. I know this is bold, but such men as the Lycenes often live in a manner courageous with their affections, I would call her sister should ever the need arise. This has great meaning to me, so many now widowed and widowered and sibling lost can echo my sentiment that having loved and lost a sister means the title carries a far greater weight. Were I born under some other star, would it have been the Redrain constellation.
Awesome. She is awesome. She is incredible. She is mighty and bear-like and kittenish and creative and cunning in her large eyed manner. I know this is bold, but such men as the Lycenes often live in a manner courageous with their affections, I would call her sister should ever the need arise. This has great meaning to me, so many now widowed and widowered and sibling lost can echo my sentiment that having loved and lost a sister means the title carries a far greater weight. Were I born under some other star, would it have been the Redrain constellation.
Written By Ardoin
March 29, 2018, 4:33 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Orazio
Legate Orazio,
Thank you for your opinion on this, and I hereby retract that the challenge itself is contemptible.
I will not speak anymore of the matter in the whites, and let the Champions sort it out.
Thank you for your opinion on this, and I hereby retract that the challenge itself is contemptible.
I will not speak anymore of the matter in the whites, and let the Champions sort it out.
Written By Orazio
March 29, 2018, 4:30 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
As I understand that it has come up:
In my estimation, there are only a very few occasions where a challenge is 'contemptible', regardless whether the offense that prompted the challenge was large, small, or very silly. One is when it is made against someone who has no way to honorably respond in kind - a Prince should not challenge an impoverished commoner who cannot afford a proper champion, nor should they make attempts to block one challenged from being able to procure a champion, for example. Another is when the challenger knows that the challenged will not, for some reason, be able to accept the challenge nor disclose why they cannot - challenging someone who you know has sworn not to stand in conflict against you, for example, and thus forcing them refuse the challenge and face disgrace among their peers.
Suggesting that a challenge is dishonorable or worthy of contempt without proof of actual dishonor can, in itself, be considered grounds for a challenge, if one is so inclined.
In my estimation, there are only a very few occasions where a challenge is 'contemptible', regardless whether the offense that prompted the challenge was large, small, or very silly. One is when it is made against someone who has no way to honorably respond in kind - a Prince should not challenge an impoverished commoner who cannot afford a proper champion, nor should they make attempts to block one challenged from being able to procure a champion, for example. Another is when the challenger knows that the challenged will not, for some reason, be able to accept the challenge nor disclose why they cannot - challenging someone who you know has sworn not to stand in conflict against you, for example, and thus forcing them refuse the challenge and face disgrace among their peers.
Suggesting that a challenge is dishonorable or worthy of contempt without proof of actual dishonor can, in itself, be considered grounds for a challenge, if one is so inclined.
Written By Jeffeth
March 29, 2018, 4:21 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Daemon
Mistress Corsetina is right. You are a treasure. And not just one treasure. Like in the paintings with the treasure chests with all the gold piling off the sides and overflowing out of the chest because they could never thought to just bring bigger chests. Like that.
You're a treasure pile where they should have brought a bigger chest.
You're a treasure pile where they should have brought a bigger chest.
Written By Ardoin
March 29, 2018, 4:20 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Barric
Prince Barric,
Oh, I am actually apologetic for the rude things I said after you issued your contemptible challenge - especially the part about emasculating you. So yes, consider the insults thrown after it apologized for, as your bizarre challenge made me unreasonable.
As for the rest, no, not particularly. Your behavior was rude and disgraceful leading up to it, and after it, and that is a different matter entirely.
Oh, I am actually apologetic for the rude things I said after you issued your contemptible challenge - especially the part about emasculating you. So yes, consider the insults thrown after it apologized for, as your bizarre challenge made me unreasonable.
As for the rest, no, not particularly. Your behavior was rude and disgraceful leading up to it, and after it, and that is a different matter entirely.
Written By Cassius
March 29, 2018, 4:19 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
As I sit here, sipping my milk (thank you Daemon, for this suggestion), I cannot help but think that those who make jokes and snark after challenges have been issued are disgracing not only themselves, but the Gods as well, for whom these challenges are issued.
Shame on you. Do not lower yourselves in such a matter, it is unseemly to the nobility and to the Gods.
I do not name a single name, it is up to each man or woman to consider their behavior, not for me to point fingers.
Shame on you. Do not lower yourselves in such a matter, it is unseemly to the nobility and to the Gods.
I do not name a single name, it is up to each man or woman to consider their behavior, not for me to point fingers.
Written By Mirari
March 29, 2018, 4:11 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Daemon
You are a treasure, do not let anyone tell you different.
Written By Barric
March 29, 2018, 4:10 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Ardoin
That was your idea of an apology?
I need say nothing else at this point.
The challenge stands.
I need say nothing else at this point.
The challenge stands.
Written By Barric
March 29, 2018, 4:08 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Isabeau
You are correct Princess Isabeau, in that Champions are of course the normal and preferred course of action when a challenge is issued. I also assure that at no point in time was I ever, even if I were to face Prince Ardoin myself, ever going to use Elvesbane.
I have other perfectly good blades for such a thing and would not sully that weapon in such fashion.
I have other perfectly good blades for such a thing and would not sully that weapon in such fashion.
Written By Daemon
March 29, 2018, 4:06 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
With regards to today's dramatic theatrics, I recommend all who feel burned to enjoy a tall glass of milk at their leisure.
It does the body good.
It does the body good.
Written By Thena
March 29, 2018, 3:53 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Ardoin
You are very bad at apologies.
Written By Isabeau
March 29, 2018, 3:51 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
It has been established that hiring a Champion, especially from the Guild, is not only an acceptable means of answering a challenge between the nobility, but it is, in fact, the preferred protocol for answering a challenge over what appears to be little more than a difference of opinion on behavior in a bath house. If the Sword of any House feels that their honor requires them to stand for themselves against said Champion, that is their prerogative. However, I question the honor of any Sword who would bring the heirloom weapon of his House into the squared circle to settle a personal grudge.
Of course, it also appears that those of us who stand as the Princes and Princesses of our various Great Houses could collectively use another lesson or two in etiquette, as recent wars waged have seemingly blinded us to the responsibilities of our stations, as we are meant to serve as the models and standard-bearers of our High Lords and the King. Ill-mannered men and women make for poor role models. If you are skilled in these matters and happen to be browsing my Whites, please contact me via messenger at your convenience.
Of course, it also appears that those of us who stand as the Princes and Princesses of our various Great Houses could collectively use another lesson or two in etiquette, as recent wars waged have seemingly blinded us to the responsibilities of our stations, as we are meant to serve as the models and standard-bearers of our High Lords and the King. Ill-mannered men and women make for poor role models. If you are skilled in these matters and happen to be browsing my Whites, please contact me via messenger at your convenience.
Written By Ardoin
March 29, 2018, 3:51 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
So. I realize that this is all very entertaining, but apologies do need to be made.
I apologize that anyone should have to read this drivel.
I apologize that Prince Barric feels the need to issue a challenge before even asking Lady Lavinia if she was in any way offended by my picking her up out of the bath. Not that she was, but why retract something when you can double down?
I apologize that Prince Barric feels that the Lady Lavinia, despite being advisor to her House, doesn't understand "our culture or our ways." Although truly, I didn't understand his bizarre, wrathful need to issue a challenge on her behalf without asking her, so I guess I don't understand said culture either.
I apologize that Prince Barric seems to have an anger management issue, and that I gave him somewhere to vent it while joking around with my close friend.
I apologize that Prince Barric doesn't recall that my -admittedly- crude words and insults came after he threw down his ridiculous challenge, whereupon I did lose my temper in the face of utter farcical madness.
I apologize that Prince Barric needs to impress a woman he showed interest in by beating on his chest most ferociously!
I apologize to Lady Lavinia and Marquessa Dominique for having to witness such an exhausting bit of machismo.
Oh. And I apologize for offering to emasculate him after said challenge. That was a bit too far.
I apologize that anyone should have to read this drivel.
I apologize that Prince Barric feels the need to issue a challenge before even asking Lady Lavinia if she was in any way offended by my picking her up out of the bath. Not that she was, but why retract something when you can double down?
I apologize that Prince Barric feels that the Lady Lavinia, despite being advisor to her House, doesn't understand "our culture or our ways." Although truly, I didn't understand his bizarre, wrathful need to issue a challenge on her behalf without asking her, so I guess I don't understand said culture either.
I apologize that Prince Barric seems to have an anger management issue, and that I gave him somewhere to vent it while joking around with my close friend.
I apologize that Prince Barric doesn't recall that my -admittedly- crude words and insults came after he threw down his ridiculous challenge, whereupon I did lose my temper in the face of utter farcical madness.
I apologize that Prince Barric needs to impress a woman he showed interest in by beating on his chest most ferociously!
I apologize to Lady Lavinia and Marquessa Dominique for having to witness such an exhausting bit of machismo.
Oh. And I apologize for offering to emasculate him after said challenge. That was a bit too far.
Written By Dominique
March 29, 2018, 3:51 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
As someone who was there, the only thing that stood out in my mind which made my own jaw drop in shock and terror was when Prince Ardoin insinuated that cutting off Prince Barric's "masculine bits" would be for the good for House Grayson is where a line was crossed.
Anything prior was definitely something Princess Reese, Lady Lavinia, and I could handle ourselves.
Hopefully the court of public opinion does not judge either men too heavily. It was a heated moment and we are all creatures of passion at times. I find both princes still to be utterly respectable and model scions of their houses.
Anything prior was definitely something Princess Reese, Lady Lavinia, and I could handle ourselves.
Hopefully the court of public opinion does not judge either men too heavily. It was a heated moment and we are all creatures of passion at times. I find both princes still to be utterly respectable and model scions of their houses.
Written By Barric
March 29, 2018, 3:38 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Of course Prince Ardoin has the right to call for a Champion, as do I. However given that Prince Ardoin took pains to make a point that /he/ was going to be the one to emasculate me, seems hardly fitting to not step up to the challenge myself should he wish it. I even informed him that the House Sword would not be whom he was facing, which is, of course, myself.
As much as I might wish it to be otherwise, it is best I personally do not step foot in the challenge given the base and crude words Prince Ardoin used in his emphatic attempt to cast aversion upon me.
However, for any misunderstanding, or poor choice of words regarding my Challenge, I apologize. I was of course impassioned by the offense being offered me and others.
Should Prince Ardoin offer a true apology for his actions, and his words, I would consider the matter settled.
As much as I might wish it to be otherwise, it is best I personally do not step foot in the challenge given the base and crude words Prince Ardoin used in his emphatic attempt to cast aversion upon me.
However, for any misunderstanding, or poor choice of words regarding my Challenge, I apologize. I was of course impassioned by the offense being offered me and others.
Should Prince Ardoin offer a true apology for his actions, and his words, I would consider the matter settled.
Written By Fairen
March 29, 2018, 3:30 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Thena
You pose a good point, Dame Thena.
Please allow me to rectify the situation by identifying a lack of understanding of the entire situation. Clarity from all sides interests me.
Please allow me to rectify the situation by identifying a lack of understanding of the entire situation. Clarity from all sides interests me.
Written By Thena
March 29, 2018, 3:27 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Fairen
Why Prince Barric? Why not Lady Lavinia? What I find interesting is that you imply that the ladies did not give the Prince their consent to pursue a grievance...yet you don’t ask them for their side of the story.
Written By Fairen
March 29, 2018, 3:20 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Samantha
I think what I find most interesting about the entire situation is, not only how the Prince stands in defense of these Ladies (whether with their consent or not, I'm uncertain), but also how he has edged onto the possibility of insulting our tradition of calling for champions to fight in our stead by implying that Prince Ardoin would possess any less honor for not standing in the ring himself.
It is all very curious, and to sate my own curiosity, please allow me to humbly request that Prince Barric clarify the situation further for the record.
It is all very curious, and to sate my own curiosity, please allow me to humbly request that Prince Barric clarify the situation further for the record.
Written By Samantha
March 29, 2018, 3:18 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Dominique
That depends entirely on how tight the cut of his jib is.
Written By Dominique
March 29, 2018, 3:16 p.m.(6/13/1008 AR)
Well it seems like what happened at the Grotto will be the talk of the town, at least until Barric wears his new outfit.
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