Written By Reigna
June 24, 2018, 1:53 p.m.(1/26/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
I suppose my words do not merit a response, since you chose not to respond to them?
Still, I am sorry for your hurt feelings. But that too, is your choice. You have been given the logic behind the proclamation. If you choose not to accept it, that is on you.
I am proud of the fact that my best friend is Lady Khanne Halfshav. Not for any other reason than because she is, singularly, a sister to me in spirit. From the moment we met, there was an instant feeling that... we were connected. She has taught me much about her beliefs. And I think I have helped her see the gods a little better. Despite the differences in our beliefs, we both respect and honor the other. I do not judge her, nor she me. We do not let our faith divide us.
Still, I am sorry for your hurt feelings. But that too, is your choice. You have been given the logic behind the proclamation. If you choose not to accept it, that is on you.
I am proud of the fact that my best friend is Lady Khanne Halfshav. Not for any other reason than because she is, singularly, a sister to me in spirit. From the moment we met, there was an instant feeling that... we were connected. She has taught me much about her beliefs. And I think I have helped her see the gods a little better. Despite the differences in our beliefs, we both respect and honor the other. I do not judge her, nor she me. We do not let our faith divide us.
Written By Thena
June 24, 2018, 12:25 p.m.(1/26/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
Firstly, that is a misconception. Most Oathlanders acknowledge the Thirteenth as a god. Those that do not? No, I don't ostracize them for that.
Secondly, no, I do not think the Faith and shamanism need to be separate. I DO think that if you want the respect and dignity attached to the title of Disciple, you need to choose. As many have said before me, you don't need to be a Mercy to be a healer. I wasn't a Mercy when I was a healer. You don't need to be a Scholar to read and learn and share knowledge.
I'm a Godsworn. I gave up everything to be a Godsworn. My family, any future of a family, anything that might come between myself and my gods. Don't think it's unfair of me to expect others to give something up too, if they want to call themselves representatives of the Faith.
I don't care what you practice. I'll protect your caravan. I'll send silver to feed your hungry children. I'll watch your roads for brigands. Stop acting like we're persecuting you because we are picky about who we give titles to. Everyone else is. Mostly.
Secondly, no, I do not think the Faith and shamanism need to be separate. I DO think that if you want the respect and dignity attached to the title of Disciple, you need to choose. As many have said before me, you don't need to be a Mercy to be a healer. I wasn't a Mercy when I was a healer. You don't need to be a Scholar to read and learn and share knowledge.
I'm a Godsworn. I gave up everything to be a Godsworn. My family, any future of a family, anything that might come between myself and my gods. Don't think it's unfair of me to expect others to give something up too, if they want to call themselves representatives of the Faith.
I don't care what you practice. I'll protect your caravan. I'll send silver to feed your hungry children. I'll watch your roads for brigands. Stop acting like we're persecuting you because we are picky about who we give titles to. Everyone else is. Mostly.
Written By Thena
June 24, 2018, 11:52 a.m.(1/26/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
You didn't answer my question, but all right.
Written By Thena
June 24, 2018, 11:18 a.m.(1/26/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
Would you want me presenting myself as a representation of your religion?
Written By Reigna
June 24, 2018, 10:47 a.m.(1/26/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
With all respect, mistress Cleo, you seem to be mistaken about what, exactly, the Dominus' proclamation entailed.
His words did not separate us. We are separated by the fact of your choice to follow a philosophy outside of the Faith. That is your choice and your right. But in doing so, you choose to be different. Separate. If you perceive this to be negative, that is your choice. No where in his proclamation did he call for those who practice shamanism to be scorned or persecuted or disrespected.
As for never being a Scholar or Mercy, you can be, if you choose to embrace the Faith alone. These are positions within the hierarchy of the Faith. These are people who represent the worship of those who believe, wholly, in the gods of the Pantheon. This in no way prohibits anyone from learning, researching or teaching others. Sharing knowledge or being an educated, learned person. It simply means that they cannot hold a title of one who is dedicated to Vellichor. It does not mean you cannot heal. Or be known as a healer. To help and pursue a goal of mending bodies and fighting plague. It simply means you cannot hold the title of Mercy, one who embodies the healing flame of Lagoma.
That is the truth.
His words did not separate us. We are separated by the fact of your choice to follow a philosophy outside of the Faith. That is your choice and your right. But in doing so, you choose to be different. Separate. If you perceive this to be negative, that is your choice. No where in his proclamation did he call for those who practice shamanism to be scorned or persecuted or disrespected.
As for never being a Scholar or Mercy, you can be, if you choose to embrace the Faith alone. These are positions within the hierarchy of the Faith. These are people who represent the worship of those who believe, wholly, in the gods of the Pantheon. This in no way prohibits anyone from learning, researching or teaching others. Sharing knowledge or being an educated, learned person. It simply means that they cannot hold a title of one who is dedicated to Vellichor. It does not mean you cannot heal. Or be known as a healer. To help and pursue a goal of mending bodies and fighting plague. It simply means you cannot hold the title of Mercy, one who embodies the healing flame of Lagoma.
That is the truth.
Written By Preston
May 21, 2018, 10:08 a.m.(10/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
I do not know you, but I see the ripples you cause. I hope you will, should you see this entry, take it in the spirit of advice from a watcher - for I hold no malice.
Choice is a very fine and delicate thing. Sadly you do not get to pick which outcomes one must choose from, life and the world and the actions of the past determine this. Sometimes your choice is only between how you will die, well or badly. Sometimes it is more meaningful, to lose as an honourable man or win as a monster, a tyrant as you say. Sometimes the choice is stark. To bend the knee and cease to be a threat, or to accept the consequences of hostility, and thus, accept the return of your soul to the wheel.
Skald says we shall have choice, he does not say those choices must be easy, or they are fair. Remember though, those in Redrain who chastise, they themselves made a choice some time back to bend the knee, to join the compact and to sign a treaty with the Faith that holds them responsible for their shamanic populations, that they must worship and integrate that worship to the pantheon. Lord Arik joins that responsibility. And it is a heavy one. For no House ever wishes to break a treaty with the Faith, or allow for those below them to do so on their behalf. So if you feel others are zealous in their enforcement of conformity, understand that they are obeying obligations undertaken long ago. Obligations that are important to ensure the strength of the Compact, and the safety of her citizens. One of which is yourself.
Choice is a very fine and delicate thing. Sadly you do not get to pick which outcomes one must choose from, life and the world and the actions of the past determine this. Sometimes your choice is only between how you will die, well or badly. Sometimes it is more meaningful, to lose as an honourable man or win as a monster, a tyrant as you say. Sometimes the choice is stark. To bend the knee and cease to be a threat, or to accept the consequences of hostility, and thus, accept the return of your soul to the wheel.
Skald says we shall have choice, he does not say those choices must be easy, or they are fair. Remember though, those in Redrain who chastise, they themselves made a choice some time back to bend the knee, to join the compact and to sign a treaty with the Faith that holds them responsible for their shamanic populations, that they must worship and integrate that worship to the pantheon. Lord Arik joins that responsibility. And it is a heavy one. For no House ever wishes to break a treaty with the Faith, or allow for those below them to do so on their behalf. So if you feel others are zealous in their enforcement of conformity, understand that they are obeying obligations undertaken long ago. Obligations that are important to ensure the strength of the Compact, and the safety of her citizens. One of which is yourself.
Written By Ann
May 21, 2018, 9:41 a.m.(10/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
I never accused you of accusing Lord Arik of committing a crime. It was used in an allegorical or figurative way in order to illustrate a point.
I think my point has been made, as well as several I had not intended:
*To spite your insistence that everyone speak Arvani, you yourself do not hold the best grasp of it.
Maybe it's not Skald you should be seeking out, it's Vellichor. Highly recommend, 10/10.
*You insinuate that "we" are trying to FORCE your tribe to bend the knee. Please.
All Lord Arik did was use his free will to speak his own language in a public place while you spouted off how you maintain familial ties to those deemed to be enemies of the Compact, which /is/ illegal - especially a tribe that now, thanks to you, is known for very close ties to the Rex'alfar!
I gave you a friendly reminder you that the Compact has the right to defend itself against perceived outside threats. Do you bite your thumb at Skald by being a hypocrite? Claiming at every turn your freedoms have been impugned when it was your /choice/ to come to the Compact?
*Expounding upon that: Do you not know what your oaths to Limerance, to the Compact, and to Redrain entailed or are you just perverting them to suit your own narrative?
Should you choose to leave, Miss Cleo, please be careful. Don't let Seawatch Gate hit your ass on the way out.
I think my point has been made, as well as several I had not intended:
*To spite your insistence that everyone speak Arvani, you yourself do not hold the best grasp of it.
Maybe it's not Skald you should be seeking out, it's Vellichor. Highly recommend, 10/10.
*You insinuate that "we" are trying to FORCE your tribe to bend the knee. Please.
All Lord Arik did was use his free will to speak his own language in a public place while you spouted off how you maintain familial ties to those deemed to be enemies of the Compact, which /is/ illegal - especially a tribe that now, thanks to you, is known for very close ties to the Rex'alfar!
I gave you a friendly reminder you that the Compact has the right to defend itself against perceived outside threats. Do you bite your thumb at Skald by being a hypocrite? Claiming at every turn your freedoms have been impugned when it was your /choice/ to come to the Compact?
*Expounding upon that: Do you not know what your oaths to Limerance, to the Compact, and to Redrain entailed or are you just perverting them to suit your own narrative?
Should you choose to leave, Miss Cleo, please be careful. Don't let Seawatch Gate hit your ass on the way out.
Written By Ann
May 21, 2018, 6:56 a.m.(10/13/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
A word of caution.
You bent the knee to the Compact.
Your people are now the people of the Compact. By joining the Compact, you abandoned the Abandoned and became a Prodigal. We do not ask that you give up your proud traditions, only that you obey a certain set of laws set forth, that you agreed to and swore and Oath to.
Lord Arik using his native tongue in the ward that he calls home in a public place is absolutely no crime, nor is it by any stretch of the imagination tyrannical. However, if you are referencing a tribe outside of the Compact that has not bent the knee and still claim familial ties with them? This is a crime. I will happily escort you to our borders so you may rejoin them.
Furthermore, if Lord Arik, Minister of Warfare and Sword of Whitehold, feels that this tribe is a threat to the safety of his home or Compact, Halfshav will have Crovane's full support in neutralizing the threat - which he is in his full right to do.
-Duchess Inquisitor Ann Crovane
You bent the knee to the Compact.
Your people are now the people of the Compact. By joining the Compact, you abandoned the Abandoned and became a Prodigal. We do not ask that you give up your proud traditions, only that you obey a certain set of laws set forth, that you agreed to and swore and Oath to.
Lord Arik using his native tongue in the ward that he calls home in a public place is absolutely no crime, nor is it by any stretch of the imagination tyrannical. However, if you are referencing a tribe outside of the Compact that has not bent the knee and still claim familial ties with them? This is a crime. I will happily escort you to our borders so you may rejoin them.
Furthermore, if Lord Arik, Minister of Warfare and Sword of Whitehold, feels that this tribe is a threat to the safety of his home or Compact, Halfshav will have Crovane's full support in neutralizing the threat - which he is in his full right to do.
-Duchess Inquisitor Ann Crovane
Written By Bliss
May 21, 2018, 2:19 a.m.(10/12/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
I know you hardly know me, but mere words of a few blustering men have never brought me low, particularly when they decide to hide them behind a tongue which I do not speak and, thus, prove the point I had made in the first place - or, in the other instance, admit that their disagreement with me arose entirely from their ignorance.
They showed what they were made of. I remain unimpressed. Your sympathies, however, are accepted in the spirit in which they were offered.
They showed what they were made of. I remain unimpressed. Your sympathies, however, are accepted in the spirit in which they were offered.
Written By Violet
May 21, 2018, 12:39 a.m.(10/12/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
Do my eyes deceive me? Perhaps they do. Calling a man a tyrant when we have so recently experienced what that -really- is? And even just a few years ago? I normally wouldn't say a thing, except for the fact you used that word to describe my Patron and I have to ask you to apologize. You obviously do not quite grasp the meaning of the word and so I have asked the scholars to provide me...
'a sovereign or other ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly.'
That does not describe my Lord Arik at all.
'a sovereign or other ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly.'
That does not describe my Lord Arik at all.
Written By Arik
May 20, 2018, 11:16 p.m.(10/12/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Cleo
[A script in a hand that is not Arik's]
Mark my words scholar, I feel this a form of challenge to be accepted both personal and philosophical.
Yes I came specifically so I could have my words marked.
Well scholar it is the principal of the thing.
Yes I agree it has more gravitas to it.
[Scholar Note: Indecipherable shav dialect]
Your sentiments have been shared by countless before you. Mighty Houses have thought your words before their fealty oaths. All bend the knee to the rightful claim.
Mark my words scholar, I feel this a form of challenge to be accepted both personal and philosophical.
Yes I came specifically so I could have my words marked.
Well scholar it is the principal of the thing.
Yes I agree it has more gravitas to it.
[Scholar Note: Indecipherable shav dialect]
Your sentiments have been shared by countless before you. Mighty Houses have thought your words before their fealty oaths. All bend the knee to the rightful claim.
Please note that the scholars may take some time preparing your journal for others to read.